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Propositioning Listserves, or How to ask for help on the internet [Oct. 23rd, 2007|05:06 am]
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As the internet has become ubiquitous over the past decade, it has become our primary research tool. Seemingly endless in the knowledge it contains, we use an array of tools to mine for data, most of them from Google.

Sometimes, our search ends up short. The infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters have yet to produce the particular work we need, and it's up to us to prod them into movement. We must ask a question to the faceless, and hope someone succumbs to our petitioning.

I'm here to help you figure out how to do that.

You'd think it would be easy. You'd think you could just ask what you wanted to know. Folly.

At some point during your research, you must have come across two of the most common instances where someone asked a question and received absolutely no help at all. Allow me to illustrate:

Our goal: Why the foo widget doesn't appear to work when the bar widget is installed

Obvious (i.e. wrong) question:
I've got foo widget, but it doesn't work when bar widget is installed. Any idea why?

While to the non-reptilian brain, this might appear to be a perfectly valid question, if you submitted this to a forum, you would most likely be greeted with derision and mocking. Why? You didn't give enough information.

Suppose you asked the question and received several such replies. You might be tempted to say "screw you guys", find another forum, and ask the same question with more detail. Not a bad idea, but you definitely need to be careful. Here's why:

More detailed (i.e. wrong) question:
All: I've got foo widget version x.y.z running on my slackbuntuhat 7 machine. When I install bar widget 37.9 I am getting the following errors occuring in syslog.
- cut 30 lines of text -
I've read through the sourcecode and at the point it generates this error, the $arrBaz looks like it might be overflowing, but I can't tell if it's a bug or a clever programmer. I modified the source, and fixed the original error, but now I am getting this output:
- cut 40 lines of text -
Anyone else had this problem?


The response:

*crickets chirping*


Alright, you have corrected the initial flaw, a dearth of information. In it's place, you have inserted more information than anyone other than the actual developers of the software are likely to know anything about. Unless you're on a listserve where the authors are frequent posters, you're out of luck.

The proper way is to tease support out of the other commenters. You must coax information out of them a bit at a time, just whetting their curiosity. Maybe start like this:

All, I'm having issues with foo widget x.y interacting with bar widget 37. foo works fine, but when I install bar, it goes belly up. Anyone seen this happen?

After that, you'll probably get a reply asking for what platform it's on, log output, etc etc. Include the information they request, and always end the post with a request for more help. That way, anyone casually browsing by who has the knowledge will see your post being the last, with no reply, and they might respond. If you overwhelm them with information in any one post, you'll get dropped like a hot potato.

Thanks for reading, and good luck.
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[User Picture]From: bluebuckeye
2007-10-23 11:20 am (UTC)
That works for tech support too, and not just forums. Because sometimes people give you too much information and they get hung up on something that may or may not be pertinent to the problem, and that makes it harder to figure out what is wrong. And when they don't give enough information (either because they won't or they can't) the conversation can end up with you asking questions and them just repeating what they told you the first time: "It just doesn't work. Fix it!"
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[User Picture]From: nuhir
2007-10-23 11:33 am (UTC)
Oh, I always loved "it doesn't work, fix it!" Then you proceed to ask questions and get answers like, "Well, it worked yesterday!" I don't miss the customers at all.
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[User Picture]From: bandman
2007-10-23 12:54 pm (UTC)
"This job would be great if it wasn't for the customers"
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[User Picture]From: kevinbelt
2007-10-23 02:06 pm (UTC)
If I had a dollar for every time I said that...this week.
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[User Picture]From: devin_x
2007-10-28 02:00 pm (UTC)
Lady: "Well, it worked yesterday."
/me does system restore to last week
Lady: "It still doesn't work."
Me: "It's hardware failure, contact your computer vendor. Bye"
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